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p2pnet.net News:- The FBI wants ISPs to act as online deputy sheriffs.
FBI director Robert Mueller told the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference that service providers should record customers’ online activities because, “Terrorists coordinate their plans cloaked in the anonymity of the Internet, as do violent sexual predators prowling chat rooms,” CNET News has him saying.
“All too often, we find that before we can catch these offenders, Internet service providers have unwittingly deleted the very records that would help us identify these offenders and protect future victims. We must find a balance between the legitimate need for privacy and law enforcement’s clear need for access.”
For the moment, ISPs, “typically discard any log file that’s no longer required for business reasons such as network monitoring,” says the story.
Also See:
CNET News - FBI director wants ISPs to track users, October 18, 2006
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October 19th, 2006 at 5:38 pm
Discard? What a load of bullshit. Tell me any ISP that is even capable of logging whole traffic. What is the scope of such logging if they do? Certainly not the content of packet data thats for damn sure. This guy is one uneducated idiot that knows fuckall about how the internet works. So what are they gonna log? Gigs upon gigs of traffic a day per user? Give me a break. There ain’t anything in network monitoring that can help the FBI, apart from who had what IP at what time perhaps. Certainly not any contents of data flowing through your connection.
Logging what websites people visit is also costly, HTTP data needs to be analyzed on a massive scale. First they have to sniff what domain you look up at nameserver, and then what page you request through said HTTP header. Both 2 seperate sources of data are required to even do this. Unless they run everyone through a transparent squid and log that way, which would just ruin the performance of web browsing entirely so that would be stupid.
Okay, so what if terrorists coordinate their plans via the internet, sure they are cloaked, but not through anonymity, they’re cloaked with encryption, such as SSL, meaning no network monitoring can discover who these “terrorists” are anyways. SSL capable IRC server with SSL capable clients, with that, a whole damn ring of terrorists can be sitting in a chatroom on this terrorist network and it would be 100% unsniffable.
Remember how the IFPI reacted when British ISP’s were required to retain customer data? They were so delighted. Terrorists my ass.
Online activities? Yes, lets just see how they are gonna log every aspect of what one does with their connection. May as well outlaw encryption while were at it since any packet logging suddenly becomes useless with it. Its a laugh that such an IDIOT has such a title at the FBI.
October 19th, 2006 at 9:19 pm
So by the same logic, all phone call, mobile calls, letters and parcels should be logged by the relevent carriers as these are all used by terrorists?
October 21st, 2006 at 7:26 pm
scumbag goverment just wants more strangle hold
October 22nd, 2006 at 12:51 pm
Much more efficient would be to…
- use bartenders. Drunks have a big mouth. Who knows how much crime information could be gathered by the FBI at the bar.
- use funeral parlor owners. No one has an idea how much astate taxes are not paid because funeral parlosr do not notify anyone the FBI when someone wealthy dies.
- use psichiatrists. These gather a lot of information about crime activities of the demented that could be useful for the FBI.
- how about corporations and bosses spying on the employees? This is a real gold mine for data mining.
- how about employees spying on their bosses? This will really blow away the corupt bosses.
- how about the many government and private systems. Just imagine.
etc.
Oh, I forgot. The entertaiment cartels are not interested in the crime data that can be collected in all these places. Just the ISPs.
Rafael Venegas
http://www.gvenegas.com
October 22nd, 2006 at 1:56 pm
The FBI should look under its own nose first.
See this Wired News story
FBI Pairs With Website Violating Law To Make Kids Safer
at
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2006/10/fbi_pairs_with_.html
November 1st, 2006 at 7:59 am
On the topic of SSL encryption, I only have one word to say that fully describes a 100% effective way to do whatever the hell you want with other people over the Net, without making it remotely simple to see what you’re doing:
stunnel.
See:
http://www.stunnel.org/faq/stunnel-3.xx.html#DESCRIPTION
And have fun.