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IFPI board member threatens blogger

p2pnet.net news:- “Record exec to academic: stop criticizing us or I’ll tell your university.”

A joke? Nope. It’s the subject heading in an email we’ve just had from p2pnet reader, linking to Andrew Dubber’s new music strategies blog in the UK. It refers to a virtual conversation Dubber had with Paul Birch (right) of Revolver Records, the same Paul Birch who, on the subject of DRM (Digital Restrictions Management) consumer control, last year told p2pnet:

The real challenge for Independents is abandoning the “don’t crush us we are small and we hurt” sentiment, and picking up real differentiation strategies established through mechanisms such as corporate social responsibility.

Independents have difficulty in working together in real strategic partnerships. Corporations have practiced this since the days of the East India Trading Company.

Hailing originally from Auckland, New Zealand, Dubber is the degree leader for Music Industries at UCE Birmingham and a senior lecturer and researcher with a particular interest in online music, radio and new media technology.

When p2pnet phoned Dubber in England to ask if Birch really had said that, he assured us that was the case.

Here’s how the story unfolds on new music strategies >>>>>>>>>>>

In the context of a blog about the online music world, I thought you might be interested in an email exchange I’ve had this evening with a board member of both the IFPI and the BPI.

I’ve had an email conversation with Paul Birch of Revolver Records this evening. Rather than comment on it, I’ll just post it here for your information, in full and unedited, with his permission.
______________________

Andrew

Looking at your site I do think allowing indiscriminate criticism of the RIAA is inappropriate for a Government funded institution.

Paul
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Hi Paul,

You might be right, but I’m not a government funded institution, and nor do I consider my criticism of the RIAA indiscriminate.

However, if you find something that’s factually incorrect, I’d be more than happy to amend it.

Thanks for checking out the site.

Cheers,
Andrew
_______________________

Let’s talk about it when we next meet-up, as I don’t intend to write a thesis on the subject.

However, I stand by my assertion.

Regards
Paul
_______________________

Fair enough. But if you do happen to stumble across something that you have a particular problem with, if you could point it out to me, that would be most helpful.

Look forward to catching up.
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Andrew, Well I am in regular contact with the RIAA and both they and the IFPI are subject to hate mail as a consequence of hubcap, our litigation against consumers for illegally downloading our copyrights.

This manifests itself into individual members of our RIAA management being singled-out for malicious statements and blogs on the internet. As an example you probably saw the case earlier in the week of a Chinese Laundry in the United States being sued for $54M for loosing a pair of trousers, belonging to a lawyer. If you take a look at the criticism on your blog of the RIAA by one of the contributors, they are engaging in a similar malicious prosecution in the US courts but go further and make a number of assertions through your blog that gives credibility to illegal downloading.

I am not concerned that people decide to take out law-suits against our organisations; we have the resources to deal with that. What does concern me however is the repeating of malicious falsehoods that occur in a number of internet blog, and are re-reported as having validity contribute widely to the assertion that right is on the side of wrong-doing.

You might argue that your professional blog is your opinion alone, however you are interwoven into the views and policy of the University of Central England and I think that puts you in an exposed positon Andrew.

It might not be nice to be sued by the RIAA and potentially put in a position of being made bankrupt; neither is issuing redundancy notices to hard working staff. People don’t have to download; they do however have to work. Consumers that enjoy music have a lot of options and enjoying it free on the radio is at least one of them, with last FM and You Tube there is near on demand service free at the point of use. But stealing isn’t clever, but presumably most people don’t really wish to steal, and only share because it is so easy and seems harmless/victimless. If people need to affirmatively hide their activities, then there is an understanding of wrongdoing. I feel that your blog underpins the misuse of our copyright and attacks our trade associations.

There are very serious allegations made in this anti-RIAA link on your blog, and I don’t think its appropriate that you link to them.

Paul
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2 questions, then please Paul:

1) Which link?

2) Would you be willing for me to post this email to the blog to present a counterbalance to the anti-RIAA position?
_______________________

http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/06/06/

riaa-extortion-and-conspiracy-in-the-same-sentence

Above is the link, I am not sure how I navigated to it from your blog.

I am willing for you to publicise anything I say here, but I think that what is more desirable is to take down links from your site that promote this hatred of the recording Industry, because the assumption is that by linking to them that you support the extreme view heralded. That might be unfair to you by the way as you may or may not hold those views. I can only seek to reason with those views but my argument about biting the hand that feeds it is I feel valid. I respect everyone’s right to dissent but I am anxious that Individual managers within our trade association have the right not to be publicly hounded.

Best wishes

Paul
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I remember that article. I can see how it would be seen as undesirable PR for the RIAA, but I’m not at all convinced it either represents an extreme view or promotes the hounding of individual managers represented by the recording industry association.

In fact, from my time online reading articles about the music industry, I would say it’s about par for the course. Most independent commentators take the position that the suing of individuals by the RIAA has been a public relations disaster, and that rather than deter illegal activity, they have simply turned the record-buying public against them. If someone is taking a countersuit against the organisation, I’m afraid that’s comment-worthy. As it happens, I think I remember hearing that the case was thrown out, but I’d have to check the facts.

The way I see it is this: what I’m linking to is opinion about a news story. It’s genuine news and it’s legitimate opinion. You may not agree, but I don’t see anything there that warrants a take-down notice.

I would never endorse hate speech or the encouragement of the victimisation of any individual no matter what their job. That link doesn’t even come close to either of those things.

More importantly, as someone who comments about the industry, only linking to items that echo the official position of the major label organisations would pretty much make my site valueless to its readers.

Download Squad, the source of that article, is pretty much uniformly interesting, relevant and linkworthy. I don’t think this was an exception.

But I think it’s important that both sides are put, so I’ll post this email exchange up on the site. If there’s anything else you’d like to say on this, then pop it in a reply to this email, and I’ll leave it at that.

I think it’s great that you’re willing to have this discussion in public. Much appreciated.
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Andrew

It expresses opinion, it’s not factual. If you persist then I shall make a formal complaint to the University.

Your choice.

Paul

(Thanks, Phil)

Definitely stay tuned.

Slashdot Slashdot it!

Also See:
new music strategies - An IFPI & BPI Board Member Writes…, June 14, 2007
p2pnet - Revolver’s Paul Birch on DRM, November 25, 2006

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8 Responses to “IFPI board member threatens blogger”

  1. Reader's Write Says:

    “I respect everyone’s right to dissent…” Sure ya do…

    “It expresses opinion, it’s not factual. If you persist then I shall make a formal complaint to the University.” Now that’s what I call respect.

    “…I am anxious that Individual managers within our trade association have the right not to be publicly hounded.”

    Gee Paul, if you feel that individual managers within your trade association have the right not to be publicly hounded perhaps you might want to consider not publicly hounding (and threatening) others with whom you may not agree. Remember, as you stated, you do respect everyone’s right to dissent, right?

    info@revolver-e.com

  2. Reader's Write Says:

    Paul’s comments on this can be summed up in three words:

    Pot. Kettle, Black…

  3. Reader's Write Says:

    Niiice ..

    The account has been suspended. What a surprise.

    Key points ….

    ” I am not concerned that people decide to take out law-suits against our organisations; we have the resources to deal with that. ”

    Translation ….
    We have enough money to withstand any legalities against us,
    no matter how valid those complaints are.

    “It might not be nice to be sued by the RIAA and potentially put in a position of being made bankrupt ”

    Translation ….
    Regardless of merit, we will use the law as a ‘club’, to beat you
    into bankruptcy, because we can.
    We have resources, you have the truth .. Honestly, which do
    you REALLY think will win out ?

    This sounds like a very credible threat, to use the law as a weapon
    ( RICO .. ‘Color of Law’ ) .. and now the account is suspended.
    Remember this IFPI persons name well. For future reference.

  4. Reader's Write Says:

    Even nicer to have this quote of his, willingly and voluntarily
    posted for all ( including a judge ) to see …

    ” “It might not be nice to be sued by the RIAA and potentially put in a position of being made bankrupt ”

    This does more than hint at the use they intend to put the
    law to .. doesn’t it ?

    What would a judge think of seeing THIS threat ?

  5. Reader's Write Says:

    I have saved this page and the text of all the comments, just in
    case economic censorship is used to try to make this Industry
    persons comments disappear.

    A Judge might need to see their own stated purpose for suing.

  6. Reader's Write Says:

    You see it mentioned from time to time from within the cartel comments that all the folks that work for them are really good people. The implication is that the corporation should be viewed as separate from those that work for it.

    Here is the problem, the corporation and the employees have one and the same viewpoint or they don’t work for that corporation for long. Here it is, put out for all to see, that is the case. We already know the RIAA is one of the most hated entities on the face of the earth. Due to the nature of their methods and its similar nature that IFPI uses, paints them with the same brush in the publics’ eyes. Neither are fit for public company among those that have moral standing. Certainly all of these handful of acronyms try to take the high moral road in their dealings and each comes out looking like the scum of the earth would have higher moral standing when viewed with what is attempted.

    Here again it is demonstrated just what the mindset is. No wonder the public has such low views of the music cartels and their various lapdogs.

  7. Reader's Write Says:

    Boycott major labels. Its actually pretty easy since most of their music is assembly line crap anyway. Better yet, support your local music scene, go to bar shows, even if you need to quite inebriated to enjoy the scratchy punk coming from the amplifiers. Its always more fun than sitting somewhere listening to a cd. As far as I’m concerned the RIAA is just trying to make up the income major labels lose because they don’t take chances on great music anymore, and keep pumping our radio and television sets full of cookie cutter, formulaic trash.

  8. Reader's Write Says:

    I second that thought. On that note, buy CDs directly from (unsigned) bands/artists at shows whenever you can. The artists make FAR more money directly selling you a CD for $10 that they EVER could with ANY record deal. Support the Arts, starve the outmoded hostile big music industy!

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