p2pnet - rss feed: Fahrenheit 9/11: on p2p everywhere
p2pnet.net News View:- OT but not really, right now, when you go to your favourite p2p network for a look around, what do you see?
The Chronicles of Riddick? Sure. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban? But of course. The Stepford Wives and The Day After Tomorrow? Yes. And et cetera.
But what’s there that you wouldn’t normally expect to see? Full-length (including screeners) and shrunk down versions of Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11, or 911 as it is on the nets.
The movie opens in the US ‘officially’ on Friday. We say ‘officially’ because it opened in the US and the rest of the world online quite a while back and no doubt, some of the reviews that are out there already were based on p2p downloads rather than cinematic experiences.
Why all the fuss?
Well, it’s a documentary and documentaries don’t usually show up in any strength. Fahrenheit 9/11 has attracted so much attention because it shines a blinding, high-energy light directly on US president George W. Bush - just when he doesn’t need it.
The Super Size Me McDonald’s documentary was another unexpected box-office hit, as was Canada’s The Corporation which went from zip to fame in a matter of days. And there are lot more documentary movies like these which are also doing well
They’re based on fact, not fiction, and they show things as they really are rather than as the Korporate Kommunity wants you to think they are.
The public has always wanted to know what’s really going on - the truth - but until now, the various ‘establishments’ around the world have been able to use the media for their own purposes. But not any more, which isn’t to say the mainstream print and electronic outlets have suddenly decided fact is better than fiction.
Significant numbers of the major media outlets are owned by, or have direct and indirect links to, the entertainment industry which spends billions on advertising. They do not, however, own the Net, as much as they’d like to and as strenuous as their efforts are in that direction.
Nor do their adverting dollars have any effect online where every person with a computer and who can log on is a publisher, with all that implies.
But what’s really interesting (and frightening for corporate interests of all kinds) is what’s in the wings.
The Net is in the process of turning the entertainment industry onto to its, well, gluteous maximus. That’s because for the first time in history, ‘consumers’ can, and do, completely bypass the corporate bullshit to make up their own minds about whether or not they want a product, service, you name it.
Mp3 - compressed music files - started the rot (from Big Music’s point of view ; ). All of a sudden, people didn’t have to fork out ridiculous amounts of money for cookie-cutter ‘product’ from the Big Five record labels. They could quickly find out whether or not tunes were good or bad from fellow music lovers, not from hacks paid by the music industry to pump releases up. On top of that, there are millions of tunes by independent artists from cultures around the world available on p2p networks for absolutely nothing.
Coming up right behind mp3s are highly compressed movies. And hand-held movie players - devices which’ll store films on hard-drives or on cards. So it won’t be long before people will be sharing music movies via WiFi handsets, with all that implies for the Korporate Kommunity.
You’ll see more and more issues highlighted in documentaries made by amateurs and pros. And their makers won’t have to worry about whether or not Walt Disney, and the like, will screen or promote them and subject matter will be constrained only by film-makers’ imaginations.
p2pnet and Down Hill Battle are currently running a movie contest because we know that in the 21st century, movies are the way messages get across. Thanks to the entertainment industry, it’s a visual world and if a picture is worth a thousand words, what’s a movie worth - especially if it’s put together by Jane and John Doe rather than by Warner Bros, or one of the other major studios?
In the same way that musician, anywhere, regardless of age or sex, can now go online and reach an international audience, any amateur (or pro, come to that) film-maker can do the same.
Sooner or later the entertainment industry will have to come to terms with p2p because the times, they are a changin’. And fast.
Jon Newton
June 22nd, 2004 at 5:35 pm
As far as I’m aware, fahrenheit 9/11 hasn’t leaked…
June 22nd, 2004 at 6:27 pm
What will the quality of art be when artists can’t support themselves with their work?
June 22nd, 2004 at 6:59 pm
Art created from true passion will always be supported, because it is honest and the public will know it, and it will survive. I still buy music CDs because I am a fan of music. I want to have the packaging and liner notes and liner note art that the artists release as a package with their music. P2P has allowed me to be more selective, weeding out the fluff that is over hyped, and at the same time introducing me to artists I had never heard of and would never hear about through mainstream radio.
Artists that are in it for the money or a lifestyle, and created by the music industry, and will not survive. I personally want that to happen. Britney Spears and all her derivatives, the multitude of R&B artists who all sound the same who write songs to a cookie cutter recipe don’t deserve to be where they are.
We had grunge in the early 90’s, now we have to still listen to Nickelback, sounding like a 3rd rate rip off of pearl jam. The music industry finds the latest trend, repackages and resells it to us for as long as they can. This is not art. This is music run by corporations with accountants at the helm making all the decisions. It used to be that record labels were run by music lovers. Music is more about image today than it is about the music. I guess that video really did kill the radio star.
P2P helps to restore that by bringing new and old music to the public that the record industry is not interested in distributing or letting the public hear.
Let’s put an end to the contol that the music industry has on our music and the musicians’ music.
June 22nd, 2004 at 7:42 pm
Fahrenheit 9/11 is based on fact?
Sir, get thee to Slate.com to read Christopher Hitchens’ deconstruction of the movie and Michael Moore before you start running your mouth.
There are already a ton of “facts” in F911 which are obvious lies - the biggest so far is the notion that Bush 43 somehow helped members of the Bin Laden family (ones who disowned Osama Bin Laden) leave the country after 9/11. Richard Clarke has long admitted that he was solely responsible for this action.
As others have said, Michael Moore is Leni Riefenstahl without the aesthetics.
June 22nd, 2004 at 9:42 pm
it will be everybody as an artist and everybody’s art getting more respect (no domination). and a re-evaluation of the resources that go into art work (less wastefull footprint)
it will be like bittorrent you will be ‘popular’ based on whats alive in your work for others not just liefless entity pumped out garbage for increased profits towards a spiraling unstatainable downfall of a future… you dig?
June 22nd, 2004 at 9:44 pm
and you are a extreemist right wing moralist patriot fundementalist violence breeding revisionist with a military spending complex.
June 23rd, 2004 at 12:47 pm
heh, and to think that Moore is now in hot water with one of the greatest authors of all time for not getting permission to use the name of the movie first!!
laughable, yes.
June 23rd, 2004 at 10:06 pm
Wonder which party Bradbury supports ? : )
June 25th, 2004 at 5:59 am
Richard Clarke long since admitted that he was solely responsible for that action?
Yeah sure I’d believe that…. just like I’d believe the administration’s assertions that no-one ordered the torturing of prisoners in Iraq.
To quote Homer Simpson, “in case you can’t tell I’m being sarcastic”
June 25th, 2004 at 6:05 am
Where is it? I’ve tried downloading two files with a huge number of sources, but they were fakes (or encoded in a new codec I don’t have?)
Only 30 secs of movie for approx 700 megs (I’m not even sure if the 30 secs is from the 911 movie - it seems pretty good quality though)
I don’t want to complain - p2pnet is a grat news site - but I’d figure if someone was going to write a news article saying that 911 is widely available, they should give an example of how “easy” it is to download without getting a fake
June 25th, 2004 at 6:05 am
Where is it? I’ve tried downloading two files with a huge number of sources, but they were fakes (or encoded in a new codec I don’t have?)
Only 30 secs of movie for approx 700 megs (I’m not even sure if the 30 secs is from the 911 movie - it seems pretty good quality though)
I don’t want to complain - p2pnet is a grat news site - but I’d figure if someone was going to write a news article saying that 911 is widely available, they should give an example of how “easy” it is to download without getting a fake
June 25th, 2004 at 6:59 pm
No, as much as you may wish it, they did not. They are however grossly guilty of apathy.
After 9-11, we did not care very much “how” terrorists were treated, so long as they could no longer harm us. Even rumors of handing suspects over to 3rd world allies for “extreme interrigation tactics” (aka torture as we would see it), was not frowned upon by most Americans.
Now looking back, this may be getting us in trouble.
1. We (U.S.) must have the moral high ground
It is imperative we be “better” in all ways than our enemy. Even alluding to torture is ABSOLUTELY DETRIMENTAL!
2. Allowing allies to extract information through torture has led us to a laxed feeling towards it.
The Pentagon has since the beginning of the War on Terror, authorized non-lethal but highly questionable methods for interrigation of militants. Water tables, prank fear of death (i.e. almost college like “take a step forward” stuff), different isolation methods, cultural taboos, pyschological anguish and near torture methods, etc… the list goes on.
In summary,
We are trying to portray ourselves with an image of moral and justified superiority/being-in-the-right, yet among arab nations and Europe (which has almost entirely denounced torture in any form), it makes us VERY VERY VERY close to what Saddam himself did!
Even though it is not entirely, it’s too close. The DOD and upper executive branch is guilty of letting CIA/NSA/SF operators use BAD INTERRIGATION TACTICS, ones that send a psychological message to combatants, but ruin our reuptation and can justifiably be interpreted as torture.
Admittedly on a point to point basis, we are not actually torturing in the previously thought sense. No killing, no electricution (but fear of!), beating, drowning (but water tables!), no starvation (AFAIK), no forced labor (AFAIK).
Yet to achieve our end result of at least one more nation that remotely likes us in the Mid East, this crap has got to go.
June 28th, 2004 at 10:54 pm
looks like those right wing americans are posting fake duplicates.
they dont want to let the american know what realy is going one.
hoppefully john titor is right and we start a civil war.
look here for info about john titor
http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com/
June 29th, 2004 at 2:05 pm
Well he didnt need permission. He says he feels bad that he didnt talk to Ray Bradbury, but in the world of art and literature you can make reference to other works (such as he is obviously doing with the title “Fahrenheit 911″) without needing any kind of permission from the original creator.
Also, I didnt think Fahrenheit 451 was that great a novel, nor is Ray Bradbury such a great novelist.
June 29th, 2004 at 2:07 pm
Yeah I’ve downloaded a bunch of files and they have all been fakes.
I dont think the movie is really out there.
Probably the author who wrote this article just noticed that the title of the movie yielded a lot of hits with limewire or whatever, and presumed it was out there.
July 2nd, 2004 at 12:56 pm
this story is kind of a dog because every file available at the time was a fake
the author should have actually downloaded a copy of the movie to verify that it was really Fahrenheit 911 before posting this article. it’s called basic journalist investigation. didn’t they know that fake files with the same name as a desired file are common? just doing a search and seeing the name of the movie doesnt mean it’s available on p2p… duh
July 2nd, 2004 at 2:45 pm
In the interests of research and education, I downloaded the first part of a two-part post and it was the real deal. BUT I must admit - it took a while to find it and I didn’t try to download part II, mainly because I couldn’t be bothered.
I also found quite a few with long - obviously TOO long - Lion Gate intros, plus a lot that were obvious fakes (even to me : )
Cheers!
July 3rd, 2004 at 10:19 pm
It was posted a few days ago in the usenet newsgroup alt.binaries.x - watchable screen copy, on two SVCD’s.
I’ve seen it and I’m convinced everybody who’s slagging it off either hasn’t seen the movie at all or has a vested interest in criminals running the US.
July 11th, 2004 at 3:20 pm
Where can I dowload the movie??? Thanks !
July 11th, 2004 at 3:20 pm
Where can I download the movie??? Thanks !
August 23rd, 2004 at 1:19 am
At www.RunnyPooDownloads.com